By Katie on Saturday, July 14, 2001 - 10:13 pm:

Can anyone provide a recommendation or a summary of their prolotherapy experince with the following doctors

1. Dr Thomas Dorman in Washington State

2. Dr Robert Klein and Dr Bjorn Eek in California

3. Dr Richard Bacharach in New York

I am looking at having prolotherapy for my hypermobile sacrum. From my research I have come down to these doctors however I am finding it difficult to obtain any objective information on them or a patient detailing their own experience in any of the sacrum discussion forums. Your feedback would be appreciated.

Also, these doctors all recommend a treatment every week which seems the opposite of many of the other doctors I have read about on this discussion forum. Has anyone been treated at such short intervals with success or should I be concerned about the short treatment times?

By Silvia on Sunday, July 15, 2001 - 06:52 am:

Hi Katie,

I don't have any experience with any of those doctors. However, I have had 2 prolotherapy treatments with doctor Hauser (www.caringmedical.com) and prior to going to him I read his book and by doing this I felt very comfortable going to him. So far I have seen good results, I'm still in pain but it's not as bad as it used to be. I get my treatments every 4-6 weeks, I had never heard of such short intervals before.

By mr g on Tuesday, July 17, 2001 - 03:30 pm:

i heard form someone on this baord that dorman did nothing for him

don't know about the other two but your questions does make me wonder just what docs are best at treating certain areas.

Is distance a matter , or would you go to any one ?

Do you mind paying more ?


I think the best places to look ( personally ) are the guys who teach the other guys

Hauser is one but not so experinced and IMO he is in it for the money ( look at his vitamin shop and you 'll know what i mean )

good luck

By Park Griffin on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 01:12 pm:

Any of the mentioned choices would be fine. I would also add Dr. Vladimir Djuric to your short list. I don't know where you live but he is out of Canton, Ohio Phone 330-498-0865.

You should also visit this forum for SIJD: www.delphi.com/sijd/start We have a resident expert in the field of the SI joint. His name is Richard Dontigny. He would be glad to answer any questions you may have.

One thing to note (if you go for the all at once in a short time span prolo treatments) you must be able to correct and hold the SI in position for the prolo to work. Here is a couple of tidbits about prolo worth mentioning and also how much of a "catch 22" SIJD is. If ligaments are tight prolo doesn't work very well. So if you are out of alignment and a ligament that needs repaired is tight only because you are out of alignment, but the ligament is loose when in alignment, the ligament won't heal when you are out of alignment. Another thing to note: If you have prolotherapy done, but have SIJD to the point that it is hard to ambulate, prolo is not very effective. When prolo is done and you can't move around the effects of the prolo are very localized and you end up with a tightening of the bone ligament junction, but the body of the ligament is still loose. Mobilizing between prolo sessions allows a tissue matrix to form not only at the bone/ligament junction, but also along the length of the ligament. The catch 22 part is that many people can not hold a correction of the sublaxed joint at all. There is also a group of people who can hold a correction, but when they mobilize there SI slips right back out again. In both cases prolo is slow to work.

The most important benchmark to success is if you can hold a correction while mobilizing.

If you are careful and can hold your SI in place, but it slips when you step up your activity; the all at once in a short period of time prolo may be for you. But most people fall into this category: They get prolo once a month with dextrose solution, in the meantime they keep working religiously with a qualified patient therapist until they can hold a correction. They then enter a maintenance phase of about 6 sessions of prolo to secure things. Some people then continue to have prolo sessions 1 to 2 times a year to keep things up.

One other thing. There is a solution used that has sodium morrhuate in it. It tightens ligaments much faster than dextrose, but dextrose still has its place. If you can hold a correction and want some good stabilization, sodium morrhuate into the long and short posterior ligaments can only add to stabilization. However, if you are loose and sloppy and out of alignment, adjacent tissues will be swelled up. This makes the physical therapists job of setting the joint in place very hard. Sodium morrhuate is caustic and will make adjacent tissues swell, also. This makes the physical therapists job even harder. People who have had prolo will say that sodium morrhuate is great because it stiffens you up, but, don't believe the hype! Again sodium morrhuate is great to glue you in place, but your joint has to be "in". Don't be afraid of a little sodium morrhuate (about 3 to 5 percent) along with the dextrose solution. Good luck!!!

By Jane on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 07:18 pm:

1. OK
2. Heard some bad things
3. OK

By peter pauper on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 07:02 am:

>Hauser is one but not so experinced and IMO he is
>in it for the money ( look at his vitamin shop
>and you 'll know what i mean )

Re: Hauser and the vitamins: ok, the vitamins
are expensive (he has his prolo patients use
Prolomax together with Cosmedix which will run
about $100 a month: they're supplements to help
the prolo).
On the other hand, his fees are comparatively low
and he runs a **free** clinic for poor people
in Southern Illinois (Beulahland ?) so maybe the
guy's not a complete mercenary.

By Eppie on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 09:34 am:

Dr. Mark Wheaton (wheatons.com) is a great prolotherapist in Minnesota in case anyone in the midwest needs some help.

Also, Park's comments on the SI are right on. If you can hold your SI in proper alignment and just need some "supe glue", sodium morrhuate is the way to go.

By Joy on Sunday, August 12, 2001 - 07:32 pm:

Dr. Andrew Kochan in the Southern California area is another good prolo therapy. I am still in treatment very slow go, but have seen great improvement. His office # is 818-993-5463.

By Steve on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 07:25 am:

Does anyone no of any Prolotheripst's in ontario, Canada?

By Dawn S. on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 01:54 pm:

I see a Prolotherapist in Howell, MI...It's about an hour from Windsor, Ontario. Don't know where you are in Ontario, but if you are over toward Michigan he's worth the drive. There are only 2 doctors in Michigan-Dr Gach in Howell and another doctor in the northern part of the lower peninsula. If either is close enough for you then you could call Dr Gach-he can give you the other doctor's name and number I'm sure. Dr Jerald S. Gach is at 1200 Byron Rd, Howell,MI 48843. His phone number is 517-548-5055.I have had 6 or 7 treatments from Dr Gach since Nov '00. He's good. Any questions, msg me at kdmigloo@aol.com Dawn

By Suzanne MacLeod on Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 09:56 am:

Has anyone had any prolotherapy experience with the Florida Spine Institute in Clearwater, Florida and/or their Dr. Hanna?