By Lin on Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 02:04 pm:

hi, not exactly sure what to post this under, so starting another new conversation. I have scoliosis, but never been treated for it. I ahve HMS, and possibly EDS III. the problem i am wondering, is my back, something tends to slip out in my lower back, it will start to get realy stiff, or sore, and then i have a way were i lay on my back, and something in my lower back slides back into place, and pain is gone, is this a subluxing SI joint? should i get it checked out? if i slump down in a chair at school (i am 15) sometimes i will feel it slide back into place, it seems like it moves forward, because i can feel it slide back when it is moving into place. it is quite an odd sensation when it slides, different from when i pop or crack my back, thats why i am thinking its a subluxation. its at the very lower end of my back, like below my waist or something.. just hoping for some opinions and help from more experienced people! thanks!
Lin

By Gwen on Wednesday, February 07, 2001 - 01:08 pm:

Lin, it sounds very similar to something I experience. I find I get a very sore lower back after I've been standing for any length of time (supermarket queues are killers) and have pain down my legs. When I am sitting in my car I can sort of push one hip forward and feel a crack in the back of my pelvis as if a joint is going back into place. Once this happens the leg pains subside until the next time.
I had a ruptured disc many years ago which went undiagnosed for two years because my hypermobility masked the symptoms of the rupture (except for the pain) and consequently the doctors I saw didn't believe I had the pain either. Ever since then I find that my lower back has felt very unstable. Not excessively but more of a sneaky sliding out of position that needs a good crack to get it back again.
I find I need to be very aware of how I am sitting or standing to keep everything in reasonable alignment. I have scoliosis too but try and minimise it by doing as many things as I can on both sides of my body, such as swapping my vacuum cleaner from right to left side and kneeling with left knee first instead of my right. I figure that if I can exercise the muscles equally on both sides of my body I'm more likely to stay straight.

By Jenifer on Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 08:44 am:

You have described me 100%!! I have been diagnosed with FMS/CFS, but never EDS/HMS. I have dealt with low back pain, and horrible hip pain for years, and my right hip pops out of socket when I walk or stand too long. The only position which is comfortable for me, is to sit on the floor with my back against something,and sit in a "W" position. My back and hips snap, crackle, and pop, and I have even had to push my knee cap back into socket a few times. Talk about painful!!!
I haven't found anyone who knows of what could possibly be wrong with me, and have been labeled a hypochondriac many times. I am in constant pain, and being labeled as having FMS/CFS makes doctors believe that is the reason I am having this pain.But the pain is so deep, and constant I don't know what to do.I've dealt with this so long and have gotten zero results, and my poor 28 year old body feels about 90!!

By Lin on Friday, February 09, 2001 - 02:24 pm:

i pop my knee caps back often, i have been in physical therapy 3 times aweek for 11 weeks for chondromalacia patella. my hips click and pop too, along with everything else in my body. FMS can come secondary to HMS, maybe you should see a genetist or rheumatologist.

with my back, its extremely low down, and it isnt just a small slip or me cracking it or popping it, it is a complete slip, and i feel it move back into place, which is quite difficult to do so sometimes compared to other easily corrected subluxations.
Lin

By Geri on Thursday, February 22, 2001 - 10:20 am:

Just if anyone wants to know . . I found a document that has various methods of cracking all areas of the back on it, if anyone is interested in reading it (It was an archived conversation) then I'll find the link and post it here.

By Lin on Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 07:40 pm:

oh please! i hate needing to crack my back like right between my shoulder blades and not being able too!
Lin

By Gwen on Sunday, February 25, 2001 - 08:35 pm:

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By Geri on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 04:32 am:

Ok here it is, you have to go down to 'B' and then 'back-cracking'. There are also some other archives that may be of interest there.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/massage-therapy/alt.backrubs/WWW/Abs-1.html

I've found (to crack the middle back) That this gets at least three cracks - curving your spine so that your stomach is 'sticking' out and you are leaning slightly backwards. Then put both of your hands behind you on your back so that your palms are on each side of the spine (in the rib cage area), then push forwards + up at the same time. If you change your hand position you can get it to crack further up or lower down.
Sometimes if I get the technique perfect then I 'realign' my spine and I can feel about three vertebrae going back into the proper place. This hurts intitally (for about a minute or so) because they've been held in the wrong places but afterwards . . bliss.
Good luck